[OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

[Roman Yeryomin]

On 5 May 2016 at 13:16, John Clark <inindev at gmail.com> wrote:
>>Could you elaborate more and explain how exactly LEDE is going to fix
> the listed problems? And why it's not possible to fix them inside
> existing project?
>
> The hasty reasons given and the secret and abrupt severing of ties make me
> wonder if a "follow the money" approach will yield more plausible answers to
> the questions being raised.

maybe a good point, how do you "follow the money"?

> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:34 AM, Roman Yeryomin <leroi.lists at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 5 May 2016 at 06:48, Daniel Dickinson <openwrt at daniel.thecshore.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On 16-05-04 04:01 PM, mbm wrote:
>> >> Dear OpenWrt community,
>> >>
>> >> spin off the OpenWrt project in the first place as a way to fix the
>> >> project and its community. Also, the phrases such as a "reboot" are
>> >> both
>> >> vague and misleading and the LEDE project failed to identify its true
>> >> nature. The LEDE announcement  contains a number of very valid points
>> >
>> > Can you be more specific about what you believe is LEDE's 'true nature'?
>> >
>> >> which we hoped we had an opportunity to discuss and attempt to fix, in
>> >> a
>> >> public manner, before this more radical outcome. At this point, the
>> >> email as well as actions taken are very confusing to a lot of us.
>> >
>> > This is a guess: perhaps it is connected to the fact that Felix's
>> > nbd at openwrt.org address now bounces, and that actions were taken which
>> > were deemed to be over-the-top by the LEDE team?  Certainly there is a
>> > great deal more doing on that either side is saying in public (which
>> > might be just as well since there seems to be a fair amount of bad
>> > feelings on both sides).
>>
>> One simple question:
>> If LEDE team members are the ones who were suffering from some
>> non-democratic decisions, why didn't they bring it to public
>> discussion for community? At least on devel maillist?
>>
>> If it was clear problem in remaining OpenWrt team then LEDE would win
>> the community right away or maybe problematic people would just go
>> away. Either way it would be more fair and open. And this is one of my
>> biggest concerns - LEDE team is promoting openness but didn't do their
>> moves openly (looking at maillists it seems they were hiding it for
>> month at least). Hate double standards.
>>
>>
>> >> We do acknowledge there has been internal disagreements, on several
>> >> occasions about some directions of the project, about the release
>> >> model,
>> >> the lack of testing, the centralized infrastructure, however, there
>> >> have
>> >> been actual work going on under the hoods to solve things one step at a
>> >
>> > Perhaps 'under-the-hood' is the problem.  Did everyone with concerns
>> > know or have insight into what steps were currently being taken and what
>> > was planned, and have planned actions been followed through on, once
>> > *agreed* as a solution?
>> >
>> > Also, is the decision making process egalitarian and democratic amongst
>> > those still actively in the project, or are some 'more equal' than
>> > others?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Daniel
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