[OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

[John Clark]

>Could you elaborate more and explain how exactly LEDE is going to fix
the listed problems? And why it's not possible to fix them inside
existing project?

The hasty reasons given and the secret and abrupt severing of ties make me
wonder if a "follow the money" approach will yield more plausible answers
to the questions being raised.


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:34 AM, Roman Yeryomin <leroi.lists at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 5 May 2016 at 06:48, Daniel Dickinson <openwrt at daniel.thecshore.com>
> wrote:
> > On 16-05-04 04:01 PM, mbm wrote:
> >> Dear OpenWrt community,
> >>
> >> spin off the OpenWrt project in the first place as a way to fix the
> >> project and its community. Also, the phrases such as a "reboot" are both
> >> vague and misleading and the LEDE project failed to identify its true
> >> nature. The LEDE announcement  contains a number of very valid points
> >
> > Can you be more specific about what you believe is LEDE's 'true nature'?
> >
> >> which we hoped we had an opportunity to discuss and attempt to fix, in a
> >> public manner, before this more radical outcome. At this point, the
> >> email as well as actions taken are very confusing to a lot of us.
> >
> > This is a guess: perhaps it is connected to the fact that Felix's
> > nbd at openwrt.org address now bounces, and that actions were taken which
> > were deemed to be over-the-top by the LEDE team?  Certainly there is a
> > great deal more doing on that either side is saying in public (which
> > might be just as well since there seems to be a fair amount of bad
> > feelings on both sides).
>
> One simple question:
> If LEDE team members are the ones who were suffering from some
> non-democratic decisions, why didn't they bring it to public
> discussion for community? At least on devel maillist?
>
> If it was clear problem in remaining OpenWrt team then LEDE would win
> the community right away or maybe problematic people would just go
> away. Either way it would be more fair and open. And this is one of my
> biggest concerns - LEDE team is promoting openness but didn't do their
> moves openly (looking at maillists it seems they were hiding it for
> month at least). Hate double standards.
>
>
> >> We do acknowledge there has been internal disagreements, on several
> >> occasions about some directions of the project, about the release model,
> >> the lack of testing, the centralized infrastructure, however, there have
> >> been actual work going on under the hoods to solve things one step at a
> >
> > Perhaps 'under-the-hood' is the problem.  Did everyone with concerns
> > know or have insight into what steps were currently being taken and what
> > was planned, and have planned actions been followed through on, once
> > *agreed* as a solution?
> >
> > Also, is the decision making process egalitarian and democratic amongst
> > those still actively in the project, or are some 'more equal' than
> others?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Daniel
> > _______________________________________________
> > openwrt-devel mailing list
> > openwrt-devel at lists.openwrt.org
> > https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
> _______________________________________________
> openwrt-devel mailing list
> openwrt-devel at lists.openwrt.org
> https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/attachments/20160505/8c047ea0/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
_______________________________________________
openwrt-devel mailing list
openwrt-devel at lists.openwrt.org
https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel