[OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

Hartmut Knaack knaack.h at gmx.de
Thu May 5 19:04:01 EDT 2016

mbm schrieb am 05.05.2016 um 21:22:
> On 5/5/2016 7:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote:
>> Many of the changes that we previously tried to introduce were often 
>> squashed by internal disagreements. Resulting discussions often turned 
>> toxic quickly and led to nothing being done to address the issues. 
>> Setting up the LEDE project was our way of creating a testbed for 
>> changes that we believe are important for the survival of the project. 
> Change is not easy. Discussions need to happen. The problem is simply 
> kicking out people you didn't agree with by starting a new organization 
> in secret; you've created the public perception that we're somehow 
> against you when really we all want the same things.
>> A critical part of many of these debates was the fact that people who 
>> were controlling critical pieces of the infrastructure flat out 
>> refused to allow other people to step up and help, even in the face of 
>> being unable to deal with important issues themselves in a timely 
>> manner. This kind of single-point-of-failure thing has been going on 
>> for years, with no significant progress on resolving it. In the LEDE 
>> project we decided to significantly simplify the infrastructure and 
>> spread out admin access enough to minimize the chance of this 
>> situation ever happening again. 
>> While we have pushed for and actively worked on decentralizing the
>> infrastructure, we were also frequently asked to move back to
>> centralizing things again.
>> The excessive downtime of the main site this year is a good example of
>> why we definitely don't want to go that way.
> I'll let Kaloz address this personally.
>> Do you think we can get the changes outlined by the LEDE project
>> implement in OpenWrt? If so, how?
> We can start by having an actual conversation between the two groups. 
> I'm not against what LEDE was trying to accomplish, but I am against how 
> it was done.
>> We appreciate your effort to have an open discussion about this, 
>> however the sudden deletion of our widely published openwrt.org email 
>> addresses somewhat undermines this. We will not respond in kind and we 
>> will continue to maintain the critical parts of OpenWrt infrastructure 
>> that we control.
> Let's be clear on this subject; no commit access was revoked, you still 
> have full read and write access to the entire OpenWrt tree.
> Email forwarding was temporarily disabled following the LEDE announcement
> - LEDE's own rules prohibit project based email addresses
> - It's unclear if LEDE still represents OpenWrt

Disabling someone's email-account without prior notice and a decent time frame
just because you don't agree with that persons behavior is totally immature
and inappropriate. The 'excuse' pointed out here just demonstrates this
Just my 2 cents.

> My hope is that this whole LEDE vs OpenWrt situation can be resolved.
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