[OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

Jonathan Bennett jbscience87 at gmail.com
Thu May 5 12:21:31 EDT 2016

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:58 AM Daniel Dickinson <
openwrt at daniel.thecshore.com> wrote:

> On 16-05-05 11:38 AM, Jonathan Bennett wrote:
> > There is plenty of blame to go around, I think.  Seems like the Lede
> > guys should have had the decency to at least inform the Openwrt
> > leadership privately that they were planning this venture.  The surprise
> The problem is that LEDE is pretty much who should be considered
> "OpenWrt Leadership" IMO as they are the majority of ones doing the
> actual work.  This isn't like working for some bad corp (I currently
> have good managers so it's better than for me even at work) where there
> are (supposed to be) execs making the decisions regardless of what those
> doing the work think.
> > announcement must have felt very much like a stab in the back. "Et tu,
> > brute?" and all that.  I think they want a "friendly fork" as much as
> > possible, but they dropped the ball in how they announced it.  I suspect
> > that a private email to mbm and kaloz could have gone a long ways
> > towards heading off problems.  As has been pointed out, the public
> I think the reason for no private email was either fear of retaliation
> or something major had already happened 'behind-the-scenes' that made
> that moot.
> I'm not sure their silence is entirely their choice as well (as in I
> find the lack of any posts has me wondering if they can post).
> > announcement should not have come from an @openwrt.org
> > <http://openwrt.org> email.
> That much I agree with.
> >
> > That said, deleting their emails was totally uncalled for.  Seems that
> > those should be restored, perhaps with the caveat that they are more
> > carefully used with regards to Lede, aka, not for publicizing or
> > promoting it.
> >
> > Guys, for the love of the project, the users, and all else that is good,
> > please don't make this a ffmpeg/libav split.  Openwrt has been an
> > amazing thing for a long time, and if mishandled, this has the potential
> > to actually kill it.
> >
> > The changes that the Lede guys are suggesting would be welcome, but
> > splitting the project and community with an ugly fork is very much not
> > welcome.
> Let's just say that there are strong personalities who haven't been
> working well together and that this has been a long time coming; perhaps
> if something like using a mediator had been considered before things got
> to this point it would have helped.  At this point I'm not sure there is a
> solution unless both sides are willing to bend a little (I'm really not
> sure who has been flexible and who has not, but as I have said I suspect
> a large part of the issue is that 'management' (who aren't and don't,
> really) has overruled those doing the majority of the work and in an
> open source project that doesn't fly).
I don't disagree.  I just see the current state of Openwrt/Lede as a mess
for the community.

> Regards,
> Daniel
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