[OpenWrt-Devel] Response to LEDE proposal/queries/mail?

[Daniel Dickinson]

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Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 15:22:28 -0400
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On Tue, 2016-06-07 at 14:42 +0200, Zoltan HERPAI wrote: 
> Daniel Dickinson wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I had a few emails on this topic I thought better of sending, but I'm
> > sure I'm not the only one wondering why the remaining OpenWrt devs have
> > not responded to the various LEDE overtures on this mailing list.  Is it
> > lack of time, an unwillingness to attempt to have an honest and
> > reasonable dialogue in public, or something else?  I admit that for all
> > the furor over the fork, and complaints about LEDE lack of transparency
> > in the fork, I'm seeing a lot more communication from LEDE than from the
> > remaining devs, and am left to guess the reasons why (although with my
> > mechanism to help me avoid bad emails, I don't give voice to my tendency
> > to the less than generous suspicions, now).
> >   
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> May I ask you to point to which e-mail are you referring to? We are yet 
> to see an official line from LEDE on what they want to see to happen in 
> OpenWrt (setting aside the FUD some LEDE members have shown on the 
This looks like a 'something else' = miscommunication.  I was actually
referring to Jo's never publicly answered email in which he proposed
having a discussion on the public mailing list.  I believe the reason
the LEDE team hadn't stated what they would like to see is that they
were waiting for acknowledgement of the proposal to discuss the matter
on list before initiating such a discussion.
They can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
> list). The IRC discussion did not happen due to being unable to work out 
> the timezone differences, the conversation on the mailing list did not 
> move forward - this is obviously an issue on our side as well.
> 
> The official line - which I should have sent out a few days ago - from 
> the OpenWrt team is:
> ----
> 
> Felix's initial comment was LEDE to become a "development environment" 
> for new ideas, and to keep OpenWrt as the standard distro. We have 
Er, I don't recall seeing that comment - was that a private discussion
somewhere, or did I just miss a public email?  I'm perturbed that I have
no recollection of this suggestion from a public list, particularly in
light of the fact that calls are for transparency and public discussion.
Perhaps in future, this type of thing should be CC'd to a public list,
since it likely was sent to -hackers which is not public (or better,
going forward make -hackers public).
> stayed away from committing to OpenWrt trunk to keep a clean sheet 
> according to this, to let LEDE members cleanly and easily merge their 
> changes. (Apologies to all contributors for not pushing their patches so 
> far). Luka - as no objections but only praises were received - plans to 
> do the proposed github move later this week, which will help with the 
> workflow for contributors.
> 
> What we would like is to:
> - Ask the LEDE members currently maintaining targets to update their 
> targets,
> - Ask the LEDE members to tell us about terms and wishes for reunite. 
> Currently there is no official word from LEDE on this, which is quite 
> confusing.
> 
> We will start merging the pending patches in patchwork this week to get 
> trunk back into a healthy state while discussions are underway. LEDE 
> patches will also be brought in where appropriate.
Regards,
Daniel
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