Improving OpenWrt internal communication

[Ted Hess]

Thanks for the acct. Do I have any admin privs?

I take it the spam filtering you are asking about is for the freescout 
mbox on test-01? Are you thinking of some front-end process for Dovecot, 
spam filter add-on for freescout or just some hand weeding which I think 
is necessary at-the-moment?

Does anyone regularly read this -- I cc'd "contact" just to see if we 
are getting anything.
/ted

On 6/19/2025 11:03:58 AM, "Paul Spooren" <mail at aparcar.org> wrote:

>Hey Ted,
>
>I added an account for you, please check your email. If can, let’s get some spam filtering going :)
>
>Best,
>Paul
>
>>  On 2. Jun 2025, at 19:51, Ted Hess <thess at kitschensync.net> wrote:
>>
>>  Any resolution to the lack of communication is fine with me - I'd like to use a private group/topic in the forum for members only, but that is only my opinion. What I would really like to see is that communication happens on any number of subjects and that actions are taken. Today's indifference to Wiki management is deafening.
>>
>>  Regarding contact at openwrt.org (I know you want to skip this for now).
>>
>>  The current setup forwards this to freescout. The freescout mailbox contains >7K messages - really! There are 2 commented out former lists for contacts of about >20 addresses however, the current alias is just 'freescout at openwrt.org'.
>>
>>  How do I get access to freescout? I have full system access (test-01), but no account to use the app.
>>
>>  /ted (who doesn't expect an answer)
>>
>>  On 5/30/2025 8:42:29 AM, "Hauke Mehrtens" <hauke at hauke-m.de> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>
>>>  Like described in the failed vote about 2 months ago [0], [1] we have some communication problems in the OpenWrt project.
>>>
>>>  In the previous vote mail I did not provide detailed examples to protect other parties, but I do not see that the situation improved.
>>>
>>>  Here are some examples from the last 3 months of not so good communication I am aware of, maybe there is more communication going on which I am not aware of. I would like to find a way how we can improve this in the future.
>>>
>>>  Problem examples:
>>>  For example there was an exchange about OpenWrt involvement in ETSI activities related to the CRA between SFC, FSFE and OpenWrt, as far as I understood. I was only getting aware of this some months later in private after I posted something on the public mailing list about this topic, see [2].
>>>  For such activities it would be nice if all OpenWrt project members are getting informed. I wrote the mail to the public list only because Ilu contacted me and I exchanged some mails with here about this topic.
>>>
>>>  There is an unofficial OpenWrt meetup at the WCW in Berlin this weekend [3]. I do not know who exactly was invited, all communication with me happened in 1:1 chats in Signal.
>>>
>>>  Regarding the OpenWrt two development I only got some rumors that it is hitting some challenges with some vendors and it is not clear if it will finish, but I do not have much more information that the vote. These information were only shared orally with me and are maybe also wrong or outdated.
>>>
>>>  I was contacted by someone from Capgemini who is doing a study for the European Commission about Radio Equipment Directive (RED) for an interview to provide OpenWrt's perspective about this. I shared the request with some people in a private mail. The person also contacted contact at openwrt.org 6 times, but nobody noticed.
>>>
>>>  We also had some discussions some years ago when we were unhappy with SFC actions or none actions. This was only discussed in private.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Proposal:
>>>  I would like to have a private mailing list which all OpenWrt committers can read and write to, but which is not public readable. Maybe we can make it public writable, that would make it easy to ad the mailing list into CC when communicating with other parties.
>>>
>>>  I think just saying we will improve and move all communication onto the public openwrt-adm mailing list will not work. I see that I and also some other people, are sometimes doing bilateral communication to prepare writing something to openwrt-adm, seeing it more as an announcement channel. I intentionally did not mention any people in the examples in this mail, on a private mailing list I would probably have done it.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Other remarks:
>>>  I think it is now even worse than the time when the LEDE fork was done, but maybe I only have some part of the information from that time. I like that the votes and release planning is done in public and not on openwrt-hackers, the old private mailing list, but some communication also moved to 1:1 communication which is even worse from my point of view.
>>>
>>>  We have already private mailing list or will have soon for some groups like infrastructure and buildbot management. These mailing list are probably helpful.
>>>
>>>  I would keep the handling of conatct at openwrt.org out of this discussion for now. I still think it is not working, we miss too many mails send to contact at openwrt.org, maybe we should just remove the links from the website.
>>>
>>>  What are your opinions on this topic?
>>>  Does someone have a better idea that a mailing list only OpenWrt committers can read, but everyone can write to?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hauke
>>>
>>>
>>>  [0]: https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-adm/2025-April/002672.html
>>>  [1]: https://openwrt.org/voting/2025-04-04-private-mailing-list
>>>  [2]: https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2025-April/043899.html
>>>  [3]: https://wiki.freifunk.net/Wireless_Community_Weekend_2025:Participants
>>>
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