[OpenWrt-Devel] OpenWrt / LEDE

Daniel Dickinson openwrt at daniel.thecshore.com
Tue May 24 19:56:55 EDT 2016

On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 18:18 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: 
> On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 23:57 +0200, Zoltan HERPAI wrote:
> [snip] 
> > Hi,
> > >> I would like to see a reunion of LEDE and OpenWrt, so do any of the non
> > >> LEDE but OpenWrt core devs have any problems with the LEDE rules and so on?
> > >>
> > > This is my personal opinion and this was not somehow internally planned
> > > with other LEDE people.
> > 
> > If I start a discussion about my employer-related topics along a beer with 
> > a couple friends, that's a private discussion with personal opinions. If I 
> > do it on any public channel, I can be felt to represent my employer on 
> > that topic. You seem to be representing LEDE.
> > 
> That's the kind of bollock that damages the ability of employees to have
> a right to free speech which disagrees with (or is at least
> independently developed of) their employers views.
> As long it as someone makes it clear when they are speaking for
> themselves and not as a representative of the group, it should be
> accepted on that basis, unless if there is a reason to believe otherwise
> *other than* just that the person happens to be a member of some group.
> It's kind of like saying a black who says he or she speaking for himself
> speaks for all blacks, just because it's known he or she is black and he
> speaks on a public channel.
> It's bollocks.  People are indivduals and have a right be such, and to
> have, and be seen to have, views independent of the various groups the
> are members of.
> I certainly don't speak for all white male IT professionals from North
> America.

On that note, after the fact I noticed your .hu and am wondering if that
this kind of thinking is a difference in the culture you're part of vs.
the western cultures Hauke and I are part of?

In much of 'the west' there is an expectation that individuals are free
to speak for themselves (and be seen to be doing such) regardless of
what group (although various corporations and governments sometimes try
and quash such things, which most here consider a harm not a good) they
belong to.

Certainly Hauke believes he is free to speak for himself and has a
reasonable expectation that people will accept that his opinion is his
alone, unless he explicitly is speaking on behalf of some organization,
like LEDE.

To a certain extent you yourself acknowledge individual opinion (with
you over a beer comment), but you seem to think that such a view of
individual opinions are not as valid in the public domain, whereas our
expectation is that it is just as valid in the public domain as in the


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