[OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Etienne Champetier]

My first email was wrong, and i don't want to criticize anybody work, don't
want to insult anybody,
and really don't want to start a war.

Apologies again

2014-10-02 13:55 GMT+02:00 Imre Kaloz <kaloz at openwrt.org>:

> John,
>
> Please mind your manners and keep the discussion at a professional level.
> I doubt Etienne wanted to insult you or criticize your work, and it's true
> that we did not announce of the availability of final binaries yet.
>
>
> Imre
>
>
> On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 07:30:41 +0200, John Crispin <blogic at openwrt.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>> no its certainly farting. i have you 2 and about 1 other person
>> complain. the other 95% sent me mails with nice and simple questions and
>> input and so forth.
>>
>> i just had a look, yesterday i got related to BB
>>
>> * 8 "thank you" mails
>> * 6 mails asking for various support things
>> * 4 pkg maintainers ask for help/logs
>> * 2 devs asking for root on the build server
>> * 2 people reminded me that now BB is out of the way that i promised to
>> fix NCM, hwdetect, ...
>> * 2 mails of people voicing wishes for CC
>> * 2 driver fixes for i2c on mediatek  .....
>> * and etiennes mails and your reply
>>
>> sorry but looking at those numbers it is farting that you are doing.
>>
>>     John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/10/2014 07:01, Hanno Schupp wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but
>>> don't communicate.
>>> If you want to avoid emails that smell like farts to you, why not tell
>>> people what's going on?
>>>
>>> On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin <blogic at openwrt.org
>>> <mailto:blogic at openwrt.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
>>>     feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
>>>
>>>     i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
>>>     for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
>>>     with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
>>>     opkg.conf holds all feeds.
>>>
>>>     while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
>>>     nice mail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
>>>     > Hi,
>>>     >
>>>     > OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
>>>     > really great if the project management could be as open as the
>>>     > code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
>>>     > it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
>>>     > some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
>>>     > are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
>>>     > etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
>>>     > people can help.
>>>     >
>>>     > When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
>>>     > feed).
>>>     >
>>>     > Please communicate!!!
>>>     >
>>>     > Thanks Etienne
>>>     >
>>>     >
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