[OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process
zioproto at gmail.com
Thu Oct 2 04:54:43 EDT 2014
Hello everyone !
Relax :) If we are reading this list it is because we all want a
better OpenWrt, and we all do the best we can for it.
Etienne in my experience the OpenWrt group is really open. The problem
is the that core people have to face thousands of contacts over the
Internet from unknown people. It is really hard to manage all this
If you work on OpenWrt over the years, it is a good idea to come once
a while to some developer meeting. We have so many. Battlemesh.org,
FOSDEM, Freifunk WCW, CCC Camping ....
Meet the people face to face it always helps to decode better the
emails at a later time. It is not just emails and forums, dont lose
the contact with the real life :)
2014-10-02 9:20 GMT+02:00 Etienne Champetier <champetier.etienne at gmail.com>:
> Hi and sorry John and all other that i could have offended.
> That was really not the goal of my mail, and me being a bit tired and not so
> good in english,
> i wrote an awful rant without noticing.
> Thanks for all the work that you are doing. I know that you and other are
> working hard
> to provide us the best router distribution out there
> (i really mean it: infinite uptime (between power surge :) ), endless
> customisation, great hardware support).
> I originaly wrote this mail because i read a ticket on github asking to
> backport some stuff to for-14.07,
> but maybe it's too late for BB ... and was thinking why isn't BB out?
> RC1 RC2 RC3 were quick but after that very few news
> 31 Jul - RC3, RC4 or final in 2 weeks
> 8 Sep - tests builds done, some more bugs fixed
> 18Sep - BB 14.07 is using 533282da863c27be4805fc1655f82f
> 1Oct ...
> Thanks for everything and sorry again for this useless rant
> 2014-10-02 7:30 GMT+02:00 John Crispin <blogic at openwrt.org>:
>> no its certainly farting. i have you 2 and about 1 other person
>> complain. the other 95% sent me mails with nice and simple questions and
>> input and so forth.
>> i just had a look, yesterday i got related to BB
>> * 8 "thank you" mails
>> * 6 mails asking for various support things
>> * 4 pkg maintainers ask for help/logs
>> * 2 devs asking for root on the build server
>> * 2 people reminded me that now BB is out of the way that i promised to
>> fix NCM, hwdetect, ...
>> * 2 mails of people voicing wishes for CC
>> * 2 driver fixes for i2c on mediatek .....
>> * and etiennes mails and your reply
>> sorry but looking at those numbers it is farting that you are doing.
>> On 02/10/2014 07:01, Hanno Schupp wrote:
>> > I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but
>> > don't communicate.
>> > If you want to avoid emails that smell like farts to you, why not tell
>> > people what's going on?
>> > On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin <blogic at openwrt.org
>> > <mailto:blogic at openwrt.org>> wrote:
>> > nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
>> > feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
>> > i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been
>> > online
>> > for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
>> > with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
>> > opkg.conf holds all feeds.
>> > while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
>> > nice mail.
>> > On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
>> > > really great if the project management could be as open as the
>> > > code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
>> > > it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
>> > > some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
>> > > are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
>> > > etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
>> > > people can help.
>> > >
>> > > When you open the process, you get more work done (see new
>> > packages
>> > > feed).
>> > >
>> > > Please communicate!!!
>> > >
>> > > Thanks Etienne
>> > >
>> > >
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